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This time in Venezuela the devotees
arranged many nice programs for preaching, in Caracas they organized
a TV interview for me as well as a newspaper article. The television
program was very nice and was broadcast live to the whole country on
a breakfast time channel for one and a half hours. The translating
and interpreting was done in a very quick way and it was a question
and answer format and that is very good for me because I cannot
speak Spanish , or English perfectly.
I also do not speak German, but you
can ask some questions if you like and I shall try to give a
sufficient answer. Actually the questions are never short and the
answer can also be very long. We are giving short answers in a few
minutes but that is not actually satisfying me. I heard from Srila
Guru Maharaja that Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Thakur would
spend one month on the slokas of the Srimad Bhagavatam. I had just
taken shelter of the lotus feet of Srila Guru Maharaja and at that
time I could not imagine, one month per sloka, but now I think that
even one month is not sufficient time. We can even consider to spend
one year discussing a sloka, now I can believe it because there are
so many channels to discuss.
Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura explains
the sloka "api cet sudaracaro, bha ate mam ananya-bhak sadhur eva sa
mantavyah, samyag vyavasito hi sah", The twelve great Mahajana's
were discussing this verse. Krsna Himself said that "if you see an
exclusive dedicated devotee of mine, an ananya bhak, and he does
something terribly wrong or you see some very bad activity in him,
still you must never think that he is not my devotee. Not only that
but it is my declaration that he is a sadhu and what he is doing
that is right because he is my exclusive devotee. Through your
vision of Vedic knowledge and what you think to be good or bad, even
if you see in him some extremely bad activity you must never think
that he is not perfect and that what he does that is also perfect."
This is very difficult to understand.
Bad is bad and good is good, this definition we are all getting from
the scriptures, so how can we digest that he is perfect, the twelve
Mahajanas were discussing this point over and over. They accepted
the declaration of Krsna. Krsna Himself said that this was the final
conclusion and meaning of this sloka but how can we harmonize this
with our relative vision? Then after much discussion another
question came to them, if Krsna says that this man is his exclusive
devotee then we must believe it, but the next sloka confused them
even more.
"ksipram bhavati dharmmatma, sasvac-chantim nigacchati kaunteya
pratijanihi, na me bhaktah pranasyati"
Krsna declares that yes he is my exclusively dedicated devotee and
that what he does is also perfect but he will become even more
perfect and his defects will rapidly be dispelled through the
purification of his remembrance and service to me. He will be
dharmmatma and he will get eternal peace and he will not have any
more trouble in the future',' this is Krishna's promise to his
unalloyed devotees. If Krsna said to me pointing to a bullock cart,
"Oh look at that motorcar", I would believe it because everything is
possible by His word.
I can see that any type of question , even if someone asks is that
vegetable sweet or sour, that question is also infinite. Actually
all inquiry can expand to the infinite, it is possible, then time is
no factor. But your questions must be for my benefit and for your
own benefit and that will be good for us both. Yes Prabhu, you are
the master of questions .
If we hear some good things about someone then we will get a good
impression and good feelings will come to us and we will be
attracted to them. If you hear some good things about Rsabdhi
Prabhu, then your heart will be melted and you will think, yes look
at Rsabdhi Prabhu, he can do this and that and so on. If someone
hears something good about someone but no affection comes then you
must think that, the goodness has not entered his heart. The reason
the goodness has not entered his heart is because his heart is like
a stone. That means there is no fertile land in his heart, and if
you put the seed of Harinama there it cannot grow nicely.
Devotee: Maharaja,
Prithi means love, and the goal of our sadhana is to cultivate love
for Krsna, but can we have love for Krsna if we are making Nama
aparadha?
Srila Govinda Maharaja:
He who hears the glories of Krsna's
name, but does not develop love for Krsna, that explanation is given
in the Srimad Bhagavatam.
Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur gave much emphasis to this sloka: "He who
hears the glories of the Harinama, but no affection for that holy
name develops in his heart, you must consider that person to be a
great offender, otherwise why is he not getting any love for
Krishna's Name. He has made some offense, but that offense will also
go if he continues steadily in his chanting. That stone-like heart
may be very strong but if he continues with sincerity one day he
will get love for Krishna's name. The explanation given by
Bhaktivinoda Thakur for "atma saram" means that there are different
varieties of stone, and some types are much harder than others. It
will take more time to melt the harder stones, so much later they
will get love for the Harinama. The association of a great sadhu can
also melt that type of hard heart, by his mercy it is possible.
That stone like heart is coming from the strong material mentality,
that I am this body and what belongs to me is mine, he will make
offense to the Harinama.
Firstly, I thought that we must try to avoid the ten offenses to the
holy Name, at first I did not think that this would be too
difficult, but after some time we are thinking that it is very
difficult. Later on we will get the result no doubt. We have seen
many and they have got the result, that is our great fortune
actually, it is necessary to see that result in others otherwise we
will not know how to see that Harinama playing in the hearts of
others.
A very old man and very good friend of mine told me a very good
explanation how to understand this principle. Before I joined the
mission of Srila Guru Maharaja I was a professional singer of kirtan
for about two years. When I was very young I learned all the meters
and songs automatically, because my father was a famous-professional
singer and many people were coming to learn from him and any time
other singers were going through our village they would come to our
house. I had a very good memory so I could keep all those songs and
melodies in my mind. Then my father died and everyone was crying and
nobody knew what to do next. They did not know who could sing the
songs. My family and uncles were discussing what to do and I said to
them that I could sing all the songs, they all looked at me very
surprised but my uncle asked me to sing this particular song and I
said all right. It was a very difficult song, but I sang it
perfectly, while my uncle played the mrdanga. When the song was
finished my uncle embraced me and declared to everyone that I shall
be their new leader, at that time I was fourteen years old.
There was one old man who was a very good singer and he was always
going to the kirtans, wherever there was an expert singer. I asked
him what he was getting from all these different kirtan leaders. He
told me "Gan shunto sikha hoy." This means that you must learn how
to hear the songs properly. This is my point, we have to learn how
to see the Harinama dancing inside of others, this is necessary for
us to learn.
Actually that old man brought one big asura man to Srila Guru
Maharaja. His son in law was a very rich landlord, but his daughter
was unhappy because her husband was spending so much time and money
on his material sense enjoyment. At that time he was spending one
thousand rupees per day on his sense pleasures, he was not a bad man
but a big asura without doubt, and his wife who was the daughter of
the old man was unhappy. Guru Maharaja had only started his mission
about two or three years before and he was the only sannyasi in the
Math.
One day we were helping Guru Maharaja to make a fence and he was
doing the binding work himself. Anyway this old man came to the Math
and asking to Guru Maharaja, "Where is Sridhar Maharaja, where is
Sridhar Maharaja?" Guru Maharaja asked the man where he has come
from and for what reason. That man said that he had heard that a
great sadhu sannyasi called Sridhar Maharaja is living in this
place. Guru Maharaja told the man to go inside and then Guru
Maharaja went and washed his hands and feet and dressed only in a
kumsha went to that man and said "I am Sridhar Maharaja, how can I
help you".
That man was very surprised that this was Sridhar Maharaja and that
he was making the fence with his own hands. Then he told Guru
Maharaja his problem about his son in law wasting so much money on
his sense gratification and that his daughter was very unhappy, and
that if Guru Maharaja could give that asura man some spiritual
consciousness then everybody would be very happy. Guru Maharaja told
the man that he does not go outside the Math but if he brought his
son in law to the Math he would try and help him.
One day that asura man was walking with his wife and father-in-law
and some family members by the banks of the Ganga. The father in law
said that there is a sadhu living nearby let us go and see him, the
wife also insisted so they all came to see Guru Maharaja. When they
saw Srila Guru Maharaja they knew that he was genuine and the wife
asked could they sit for a few minutes by his lotus feet. At that
time the Ganges was very close by from the road you could jump in,
even at that time Guru Maharaja was renowned as a big sadhu
sannyasi, and they had heard mention of Sridhar Maharaja. Then Guru
Maharaja started preaching to that man in a very enthusiastic and
penetrating way, explaining to him the actual position of the jiva
soul.
Guru Maharaja told him, "You have got this great opportunity now
that you have this human body to do some good, even the demigods are
doing tapasya hoping to get a human body. This human body can help
us achieve the supreme benefit of life, but death may come at any
moment and you do not know when or where you will die. You are
walking by the Ganga and there are many poisonous snakes and one may
bite you and you may die, death is certain for us all and you do not
know where or when you will again take birth you do not know what
awaits you." That man listened very attentively to Guru Maharaja and
when Guru Maharaja finished that man cried, "Oh! I am losing
everything, my wealth and happiness, everything, please save my
life!," he begged to Guru Maharaja. To such a degree he wholehearted
surrendered to Srila Guru Maharaja. Guru Maharaja was trying
wholeheartedly to make that man perfect and he was successful, that
man fell to the feet of Guru Maharaja begging him to save his very
life.
After this happened that old man whose name was Nityananda Chowdhri,
and his daughter were very happy. When that man went back to his
house he threw out all the whisky and wine bottles, and he took
Harinama from Guru Maharaja and he left all the bad things in his
nature.
His barber was also the barber of Srila Guru Maharaja and would come
to the Math once a month and shave Guru Maharaja. He would go to
that mans house every day and shave him, although the charge was
only a few paisa he would pay the barber five rupees. Although he
was an asura he was a generous kind hearted man also. The next day
the barber came running into the Math and giving full satsanga
dandavats to Guru Maharaja said "O Sridhar Maharaja, Mahaprabhu
rescued Jagai and Madhai, Devananda Pandit and many Muslims, and we
heard that Jagai and Madhai were the most sinful, but we only heard
these things, but I have seen in my life with my own eyes what that
man was doing. He was spending so much money on women and wine doing
more wrong then Jagai and Madhai. Every day I am praying to
Mahaprabhu to please give him some sumati, good mentality, but you
Maharaja are more merciful than Nityananda Prabhu, you have rescued
this man! Today I went to his house to shave him but he was dressed
in dhoti and wearing tilaka he was chanting Hare Krsna with Tulasi
mala and his mind and heart were peaceful, it is a great miracle. He
told me that this transformation was brought about by the mercy of
Sridhar Maharaja of Kolerganj!"
That old man, the father-in-law of the asura man, told me that we
have to learn how to hear the song properly, so we must learn how to
see the Harinama play within others. That old man also became a
Prabhu and Guru Maharaja gave him the name Gaurahari Bhakti Sampada,
he was my very good friend and he has done much service for the
Math.. Actually it was through him that the Sri Chaitanya Saraswat
Math began to grow.
Srila Guru Maharaja would never ask anyone for anything and I never
asked that man for anything, but I asked him if he could introduce
me to his friends that would be very good. I told him that he was a
great man and his recommendation would be sufficient, if he would
introduce me to the people of his village. So he invited me to come
to his village and I met many good gentlemen there and automatically
after some preaching some help for the Math came from them. They
also gave me the nickname "kyuto daka", baby cobra. They would say
to others, don't try to debate with him he is like a baby cobra and
will smash you. Those men were also big men and that name was a good
certificate from them. I was fearless because I was a disciple of
Srila Guru Maharaja so how could I be afraid of anything, and
through them the Math began to grow.
Generally Guru Maharaja would wait six months before giving
initiation to the brahmacharis who wanted to live in the Math, but
he broke that rule with me and gave me Harinama after three months.
Usually he would wait and see how they were serving, if they were
humble and steady in their service, then he would give them japa
mala. I heard that Swami Maharaja was also following like that but
he gave another instruction and that was that they could begin
chanting before formal initiation. Maybe that was necessary for the
western devotees to see how they were doing.
Please excuse me, now I shall go to my camp. Jaya Srila Guru
Maharaja all glories to the assembled devotees, Hare Krsna!. |